Homeowners Be Aware

Is It Possible to Communicate with the Dead?

December 13, 2022 George Siegal Season 2 Episode 63
Homeowners Be Aware
Is It Possible to Communicate with the Dead?
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December 13, 2022
63. Is It Possible to Communicate with the Dead?

Bob Ginsberg lost his daughter in 2002 and in his search for peace discovered that our consciousness survives our physical death, and he believes that people called Mediums can help us communicate with them.

Here are some important moments with Bob Ginsberg from the podcast: 

At 7:16  What is the difference between a psychic and a medium?

At 12:40 Tell us about the afterlife experience that happened with your daughter?

At 20:08  What was the end-of-life experience that you had with your mother?
 
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Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/robert.ginsberg.73

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/bob-ginsberg

Website: https://wwwforeverfamilyfoundation.org  


Website: https://www.beyondthefivesenses.com
 


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George Siegal:

When you think about loved ones in your life who have passed away, where do those thoughts take you? Do you believe in life after death? Have you ever gone to a psychic or a tarot card reader? I've actually done this several times and I really wanted to believe it was real, but I always came away fixating on the one or two things the person was close on and forgetting all the things that they missed on. These people were allegedly doing readings, looking at what might happen in the future, but they were not reaching out to loved ones that have passed away. Bob Ginsberg lost his daughter in 2002 and in his search for Peace discovered that our consciousness survives our physical death. And he believes that people called mediums can help us communicate with them. Now, obviously, it's up to you to decide whether you believe this or not, but it's worth listening to Bob and hearing the comfort that this has brought him, and some fascinating stories of how people have reached out and communicated with loved ones who have passed away. I'm George Siegal, and this is the Tell Us How to Make It Better podcast. Every week we introduce you to people who are working on real world problems and providing actual solutions. Tell Us How to Make it Better is partnering with The Readiness Lab, the home for podcasts webinars and training in the field of emergency and disaster services. Bob Ginsburg, welcome. Thank you so much for joining us today.

Bob Ginsberg:

My pleasure to be here with you. Thanks.

George Siegal:

I was so curious when I came across all your information because, um, I, I guess I'm a skeptical, wanna believe kind of guy, and we can go into that in just a minute. But first I thought we'd just kinda lay the foundation here. Tell us what the problem is that you've been working on and what you're doing to make it better.

Bob Ginsberg:

Well, you know, the problem is that, you know, we find today, especially just look around us, I mean, uh, everything that, that, that's going on, people are starting to question if there's any meaning and purpose to their lives. I mean, everything certainly appears to be random. Uh, and, uh, baby boomers that are coming of age like myself or I never really questioned if it's possible that anything happens next, then I'm talking not from a religious perspective, just from a, you know, a, a logic, um, uh, perspective. So, uh, you know, what I've been working on for the last 20 years is evidence that shows that we are more than our physical bodies. And, uh, along with that, um, that our minds connect independently of our brains, which then suggests that we, after our body physically dies, we continue in some form. So, you know, having, if one can come to that belief, that inner knowing they can live their lives more fully because they don't, um, the fear aspect, um, which, which dominates, uh, the lives of many people today. The fear of death kind of goes away. Um, so in a nutshell, that's where we're at.

George Siegal:

So who was, it? Was it was Houdini or somebody that said they were gonna find a way to come back after they, they passed away. And we've never seen any evidence of this. Through mediums, and you have on your website where I guess you certify them, you're able to reach out to people. People don't actually come back, but you're able to communicate with them. Tell me what, what's going on here?

Bob Ginsberg:

Yeah. Well the, the theory behind mediumship is that, um, our consciousness, and when I say consciousness, you can use that term interchangeably with your soul or your mind or whatever you prefer, um, connect independently of the brain, so that means, For instance, with things like telepathy and E S P and, and things like that, it shows remote viewing that some people can extend their consciousness to another site, you know, and, and, uh, therefore, um, since after our physical death, our consciousness still still continues. Um, the assumption is that we can still communicate because we go to the next dimension with our memories and personality in tact. So what mediums do, the ones that really can do what they claim, and I'll be the first one to tell you that 90% of them are full of crap. Um, you know, but there's 10% that really can do it. Um, so they're communicating. It's still mediumship is mind to mind communication, except one party, the person that's in the spirit realm doesn't have a body anymore, but they still have a mind. So yes, in, in mediumship, um, Uh, some evidential mediums are able to communicate um, Facts and evidence that, that people on the other side communicate. Uh, theoretically it's things that they could not have possibly known or, or researched, which is difficult in today's information age. I mean, a medium could. I could be talking to you now and have your Facebook page up on my screen that starts spitting back everything that I see on Facebook. So, um, you mentioned

George Siegal:

I would be very impressed by that trick, by the way,, Bob Ginsberg: Well, you know, We actually uh, one of the mediums that we had certified told us a story where he caught another medium that was doing just that. She was doing the medium, was doing a reading via Zoom. And, um, you know, in one part of the medium screen she had, you know, the sitter or the person who was getting the reading up. And on the other side of her, her screen, she did have that sitter's Facebook page open and she was reading back all the information and the sitter not knowing um, you know, anything about mediumship thought that this medium was the greatest medium in the world. Wow. You know, how does she know all this? But it was a totally fraudulently, you know, reading. But, uh, you know, mediumship is only one part of it. There's other evidence, uh, near death experiences and deathbed visions and reincarnation and all sorts of, uh, after death communications that we, you know, research and study. And when you step back and you'll look at all the evidence, it's easy to dis dismiss any one discipline of research. The thing that makes the most sense when you look at everything as a whole is that our consciousness does, you know, survive a physical death. You know, there was a story on Dateline several years ago where they kind of exposed the charlatans in this, and, and it, it seems like in any industry where there could be something fascinating, it also brings out the people that are gonna try to make a buck off of it and, and con people. Full disclosure. I've gone to psychics for years because I'm one of those people that wanted to believe, and I always walk out of there, um, with those one or two kernels that they might have gotten right, because I think some people are good at reading people's body language. If you were an expert at that and you talk to me, you could pull things out of me and lead things out of me. And if you just hit on one or two, I forget the 50 that you might have whiffed on that had no bearing. Um, I had one psychic back in the nineties tell me I was gonna have a redheaded child. I have a redheaded child, but I don't know what the odds, I mean, you know, so I could sit there and go, wow, they were so good. Yeah. Or what were the odds? You know, it was one in three, one in four. So what, what are your thoughts on all that?

Bob Ginsberg:

Well, you know, there, um, there is a difference between psychics and mediums, you know, so a lot of us, probably all of us, have some degree of intuitive ability, you know, with some, it's more enhanced than the, than the other. So, what you described, if, if this psychic said to you that you were gonna have a child, um, you know, with red hair, um, That's not information that she or, or he was getting from the other side, so to speak. It's, it's, it's, it's mind to mind, you know, telepathic communication, she's picking up information and of course you were in no position to verify it, whether it was right or wrong, you know. But there are some people, um, that in addition to being psychic, they have the ability, it's like a different skill set, you know, they can communicate with a discarded entity and you can evaluate the evidence, you know, so, and what you said is exactly right. A lot of mediums, uh, the ones that, that are not legit use cold reading techniques. They look at your dilation of your, of your, uh, eye pupils. They look at, you know, little subtle things that you, that you do. If you acknowledge something, they, with a head nod or a slight head nod, they'll continue with that. They'll repeat the same things over and over again, as a matter of fact researchers, scientists that study mediumship, they prefer when, when the sitter and the medium are blind to each other. So it eliminates the possibility of the medium using cold reading techniques. I mean, you could be the medium now and re giving me a reading and you'll look at me and you could size up my age or maybe my ethnicity and so forth, and you could say, Hey Bob, you have a great grandmother in spirit and, you know, shit. Yeah. She'd be 130, so it's a good, you know, it's a good bet. But, but if I was scoring it, I'd have to score it as a hit. But is it evidential? No, not at all. You know, so when we conduct our medium certification, uh, process, we, uh, score very specific information is weighted more heavily than just general stuff. You know, I could give you a rating now and probably get a 90% accurate, uh, accuracy, but it's all gonna be general bullshit., you know,

George Siegal:

I'm a short story. It would be easy. Yeah., that's, that's going for the low hanging fruit. Now, in, in 2002, you tragically lost your daughter, and is that when you started getting into this and did you feel like through this you were able communicate with her or did you just find peace in just understanding to let go?

Bob Ginsberg:

Yeah. Um, well, you know, the story behind that was that, you know, the morning my son and daughter were involved in a car accident and, and my daughter did not survive, as you mentioned. And my son had very serious injuries. And the morning of that, the day of the accident, uh, my wife at three o'clock in the morning, shot up in bed and was trembling and shaking. Just like white. And I said, what's the matter? And she just, she couldn't even talk. And I pressed her, I said, what's a matter? And she said something horrible is gonna happen today. And I said, well, what does that mean? What? And she said, I can't tell you, but our lives are gonna be changed forever today. So, um, I didn't believe in any of, you know, I didn't believe in, in, in anything, um, regarding like a vision or telepathy or, you know, mediumship or anything like that. But, um, there were times together, we were married for 46 years that, that, you know, um, There were times together in our lives where she had similar visions. They were all good things, but they all turned out to be ex exactly the way she described it, they happened. So just logically it told me if she was right then she could be right now. And to make a long story short, I checked on our three kids throughout the day and at night I let my guard down. I let it fade from my awareness, you know, and then it happened. So, um, After a few months passed and it became clear that my son was gonna recover from his injuries, it, I remembered that night. I said, wait a second. I said, how is this possible? I mean, how did my wife Fran know? Because she knew I saw her. She was shaking and trembling. That started me on a quest even being, I was a skeptic, but I was an open-minded skeptic. You know, I would follow the evidence where if I went and I met with scientists and researchers all across the United States that studied consciousness, and I started uncovering and listening to the evidence that that, that they, you know, had to offer. Um, and one thing led to another and, and I f I even, uh, you know, we formed this foundation Forever, family Foundation in 2003. Um, . And for seven, eight years after we formed the foundation, even though I was giving talks about evidence of an afterlife and supporting the bereaved, I was a hypocrite because I fully didn't buy it myself. It took me a good seven or eight years after we started the foundation, until I came to that point where I had to acknowledge that, you know, that this is real.

George Siegal:

Now, have you, um, you hear stories where people say, house is haunted., are there spirits in a house? I mean, to what level are we talking about and what kind of evidentiary proof do you have that's made you a believer? What, other than, I mean, what your wife went through. And I've had, I've experienced that too, where I've seen something that was going to happen. But that's not the same as communicating with somebody in the afterlife.

Bob Ginsberg:

Exactly. I mean, in a pre-cognition is pre, you know, catching a glimpse of the future, but it doesn't have anything to do with, you know, communicating with those who have passed. Um, you. Ghosts or apparitions really the same thing. They're really visitations, you know? Um, oh, uh, I had, um, well on, on that subject, I'll tell you a quick story. When we moved from one house to another many years ago, my, my youngest daughter, Bailey, um, she, uh, was very upset. She loved our old house and she was really pissed that we moved and for, and for years she kept pressuring us. She wanted to go visit her room in the, in the old house, and every week she'd say, come on, mom, you got, we, I, my, my, my wife would say, no, Bailey, we can't do that. It's not appropriate. We can't just knock on the door and say that you wanna see your old room. And she wouldn't give up. I mean, this was month after month, year after year. She just wanted to see that her old room. So, my my daughter, you know, dies. And about a month later, um, uh, my, um, my wife's first cousin was at some wedding or affair, and she happened to know the people that bought our old home. And the person that bought our old home grabbed my wife's cousin and said, can I tell you something? I said, yeah. I said, well, Her daughter who, um, had the same room that my daughter had, you know, in the old house, and she said that her daughter came down, you know, one night, uh, really upset. She said she had this, uh, vision of a young girl walking across the room and she went on to add, I mean, her daughter was like 11 or 12 years old at the time and never ever had a bad dream or never experienced anything like this. And her mother reassured her and said, okay, you were probably dreaming. It's nothing, you know, go back to sleep, which the girl did. In the morning the family is gathered together at the, in the kitchen having breakfast. And on the, uh, the, the, the newspaper is on the table and they open up the newspaper and they see the story of the the accident that my, uh, uh, my kids were in was on the front page of the paper. Um, and, um, that was literally when she saw the vision. It was 30 minutes after my daughter had passed. So, you know, when I, when I stood back from that, even though I didn't really believe in any of this stuff, I said, wait a second, where would be the first place that she would go?? You know, I mean, after years of wanting to see that old room, and then 30 minutes after she passes, the daughter sees the vision of a young girl walk across the room. That hit me. You know, cuz that was not probable, you know, statistically it was, it was not, you know, realistic. So that was one of the things that happened to me, that got me on this track of moving towards a vague hope to a belief that we, we do indeed survive. Um, and then of, I had, um, There for me personally, I didn't, I wasn't intuitive at all. My wife was having experiences all over the place, which I, you know, dismissed or fu refused to acknowledge. Um, some people have dream visitations, which are, you know, when you're in this, uh, REM stage of sleep. Um, the theory is that a person, a discarded entity, uh, sees that conduit and get through cuz your your monkey chatter mind is, is, is set aside and there's a channel to get through. Uh, and dream visitations are very different from regular discombobulated, disorienting dreams that are mixture of everything. Cuz in a dream visitation you could see your loved one and talk to them or hug them or kiss them and have a conversation so forth. Um, and I started to have these visitations for my daughter. I had 74 of them over a three year period, and I would journal each and every one. Um, and each one was, was, was, was amazing, you know? So I came, you know, I came to the belief that that was the way in which my daughter was letting me know that, you know, that, that she was still around. So it sounds, I know it sounds, um, , uh, kind of absurd. Uh, but yet it's not talked about much, but it happens in the general public every day, and it has been for thousands of years, you know, so.

George Siegal:

Well, I'm pretty cynical, but I can't dismiss that because it's real to you and it's something that ga gives you comfort. So it's, it's hard to take that away from somebody, and I think most people would like to believe that that's actually true. Even that, you know, closing your eyes and, and having those experiences or those flashbacks is different from actually reaching beyond and, and, and having those communications. I mean, that story about your daughter going to her room and a total stranger that's, that's a little harder to explain that one away.

Bob Ginsberg:

Yeah. And you know, you know, from, uh, From formal research. Let's take example. Near death experience research. I mean, there are a lot of medical doctors that have engaged in in N D E research for for many years. To me, that's really compelling evidence because you have people that meet every definition that medical science has for death. They have no, uh, brain waves. They have no respiration. They have no heartbeat. They have no reflexes. Medical science says they're dead, and yet they, they, they get resuscitated. Um, and when they come back, uh, they are able to relate things that they could not possibly have known, you know, to, you know, they see things that went on in the operating room. They, they, they can describe conversations that, you know, that went on. Um, there are famous cases where people are above their bodies, outside of the hospital and see things that are on a ledge nine stories up. Um, so, you know, and, and, and these people report similar things. Not every near death experience has the same things, but things such as meeting with their deceased loved ones, you know, um, being encompassed in a, in a, in a welcoming light, um, being imbued with, with knowledge they didn't have before. But most importantly, they all describe having clear and lucid thinking. And if, and, and the common, uh, objection to the research is that, well, uh, you know, this is just near death experience of just, um, like anoxia, a lack of oxygen to the brain. So they're who you're hallucinating. Uh, but you know, people that experience, anoxia like fighter pilots that are, uh, in high altitudes, the way they don't have clear and lucid thinking. I mean, they have fragmented, you know, they, they're like thrashing all over the place. It's not something, um, it's, it's quite different. So I kind of dismiss, you know, that argument.. Um, and uh, so when, you know, there are thousands and thousands of these cases over the years, and, and that's a, a pretty strong body of evidence that something's going going on beyond the body.

George Siegal:

Yeah, I've heard the explanation that that's just your brain, like the ultimate dream it's having or whatever. But then when you talk about seeing things that they would have no knowledge of where they were, it kind of throws that disbelief out the window, right? It's like, well, how do they see those things? How do they know those things? Yeah. It's, it's curious.

Bob Ginsberg:

It is curious. Um, and, and, and it, and it happens all the time. I mean, another, uh, type of evidence, um, of these end of life experiences, you know, deathbed visions, you know, there are people that were in that window. Let's say two weeks out from their death or just before you know that they, they reach out and they appear to have, be having conversations with, you know, their deceased loved ones who presumably are there to help 'em cross over to, to the other side. Um, I had kind of a, it was almost a humorous incident when my mom was passing. Um, we were sitting, she was sitting in a recliner and we were sitting in a semi-circle facing her, and directly in front of her was an empty chair. And all of a sudden, um, she was in pretty bad shape. I mean, I think it was about a a week or 10 days before she died, she starts reaching out and, and looking at that empty chair and talking with her deceased mom. Um, and the other people in the room didn't know what was going on. They just thought, no, this is just hallucinations. But my wife and I, having studied this for so many years, you know, we knew what was going on. And then in the middle of this, my father walks into the room and he sees the empty chair and he sits down in the empty chair and my mother starts going nuts cuz she, you know, my father had no idea of knowing that he sat on his mother-in-law . So my, my father's like bewilderd and, you know, know, and. I'll try to explain it to him, but it's just so much like he could handle. So, uh, but I, but this thing, I mean, matter of fact, that if you talk to people that work in hospice, um, and, and, uh, hospice, uh, care, uh, professionals and medical doctors, that's how they know when somebody is about to pass. You know, when, when they start seeing their deceased loved ones. So I believe that everybody has such an experience, but they may be, uh, physically or mentally incapacitated and they can't relate what they see to others. But nonetheless, it happens.

George Siegal:

Do you believe people are reincarnated and come back?

Bob Ginsberg:

That was the biggest piece of the puzzle that was that I was having a hard time with. But then, um, I, there are several, uh, prominent medical doctors that have been studying reincarnation for 40 years and they've amassed, uh, thousands and thousands of cases of children who have past life memories. Um, I don't know if you watched the, uh, surviving death, uh, series docuseries on Netflix. I mean, we're a part of that series, but

George Siegal:

I'm going to now.

Bob Ginsberg:

Yeah. A lot of the people that we work with, um, one of the, the episodes was Don, um, was, uh, Strictly about, um, what you're talking about, reincarnation. And they take these memories and the, the scientist becomes an investigator. He pulls medical records and dental records and, you know, school reports and hospital, you know, and so forth, and police records and, and, and sometimes if they're lucky, the children, remember the child remembers where the, they lived in the past life and they go to visit the, you know, the present family. Um, and, and some of the cases are, is just so compelling with information that, you know, years ago there was no internet and you couldn't look up all, all these things, you know, and it was impossible to research, especially in third world countries. And, um, and, and, I think, um, I believe that reincarnation is real. I don't think that everybody reincarnates, I think it's, you know, some sort of a, of a self choice, but, uh, it, it's, it is very difficult for a lot of people to, to wrap their heads around.

George Siegal:

Would it be safe to say, so you don't fear death because you believe that we go somewhere?

Bob Ginsberg:

Yeah. And that's the whole point of the, of our work at the foundation and working with the bereave because if they come to believe that their loved one still exists in some form, um, that's enormously helpful in their grief. Um, there have been, uh, many peer-reviewed, uh, studies that appear in medical journals that show that those who believe in an afterlife do a lot better in the grief than those who don't. And that makes sense because that's the only thing that can give you any hope to keep going. I'm not interested in a vague hope or a religious hope, or, you know, pure faith. I'm the kind of guy that wants hard evidence of, you know, thinking with my left brain. So that's why it took me so long to, you know, to be convinced. But yeah, I've, I've lost, uh, all my, my fear of death and that comes with a certain amount of freedom, um, as you navigate your physical life, you know? Cause I'm not, I'm not worried about it.

George Siegal:

So what's the process for that want to work with you and that they wanna try to understand this better. Maybe have you a medium reach out. What do they do?

Bob Ginsberg:

Well, you know, I mean, when I go to our website forever family foundation.org and a lot of the things that we've been discussing here today is, you know, appears on, on our website. So it's information. I mean, we're not therapists, we're not medical, you know, professionals. We just, you know, find information can be helpful. You know, bibliotherapy just reading about this stuff, you know, can, can, can give you hope. Um, uh, personal experiences. Um, I think there's, there's two two approaches you could take to get to that belief in an afterlife. One is from becoming aware of all the evidence and all the reading, all the books, and, and, and the other is from having a, some sort of a profound personal experience that could be in a dream visitation or it could be a medium reading or a near death experience or some sort of vision that you have. Um, so, uh, I mean, we don't have any involvement with the mediums other than um, evaluating the evidence they provide under controlled conditions. So we can attest to the fact that they're, at least during the, the, the evaluation procedure that they're the real deal. But people, if they wanna read in, can go on a, on a website, look up certified mediums, and these are all vetted mediums. And, and by the way, um, there's no difference in the, in the information that they, that they're able to communicate, whether they're sitting directly in front of you physically, like in their office or via Zoom or the telephone? I mean, think about it. I mean, if you're, you were talking about communicating with another dimension. So what, what difference does, you know, what, uh, three feet or 3000 miles make, you know, so.

George Siegal:

Well it seems like it's easier to cheat if they're not right in front of you, at least. Yeah. You feel like if you're sitting in the same room, there's some more control over the environment.

Bob Ginsberg:

Uh, yeah, you would think, but then, but then, you know, usually they'll, they'll collect your name in advance. Um, you know, you don't want to give them much information, but, um, so they could do some research on you, you know, beforehand. Um, you know, I, after, uh, my wife passed, uh, two years ago and I in, in the almost 20 years that we've been doing this work, I, I never, ever, uh, Anita did my wife get a reading from one of the mediums that we certified, even though I know that they're among the best. And the reason that I never got a reading cuz I knew I couldn't trust the information cuz they knew too much about me and my story. But after my wife passed, um, Uh, Leslie Kane who wrote the book Surviving Death upon which the Netflix series is based, she was researching the book and she got a reading from a, a Medium that was in Ireland. Um, and she asked me if she could come out to my home, uh, with the transcripts of the reading so that I can ave score it cuz she knew that that's what I did. And I did that and that was tremendously impressed by the readings that she got. There was like a woman was like 95% accurate. So after my wife passed, you know, Leslie called me and said, would you like to have a me a reading with this medium? And I ordinarily I'd say no, but I figured this was an opportunity and I already knew that this medium was good. So I said, okay, on one condition, the only information I'm gonna give her is my name is Bob, and God knows how many Bobs there are in this universe. So she can't look up Bob. And I said, I. Um, I won't pay for the reading with my information. So I asked my friend to, uh, pay for the reading in advance using her, you know, PayPal account. Um, and I got a reading and it was a wonderfully accurate and evidential and me, I'm scoring the actual reading as she's given me the information so I could trust the information. I knew that there wasn't any, um,, there was no way that she could have researched me before she had, you know, and then, uh, I was able to, to take the information so I didn't question. It's better if you don't have to question something afterwards, you know?

George Siegal:

What is a good reading with a medium cost?

Bob Ginsberg:

Uh, that's, that's a good question. And it's all over the map. I think that. You know, a good reading, reading with a medium could cost anywhere from 150 bucks to a thousand bucks, you know, for, for, and that is outrageous. One of the problems that I have or we have at the foundation is that we developed a certifi certification program in 2005 as simply as a resource for the bereaved. We want people to be able to go to not get taken. Mm-hmm., um, and many because of the, the how we grew in size as the foundation and the pub publicity. A lot of the mediums that we have certified over the years have become famous. They have TV shows, they write bestselling books and you know what happens then? They do fewer and fewer readings., they charge more and more money. Um, and that kind of defeats the purpose of our, you know, the program. Uh, and that's why I'm constantly trying to identify more mediums that can really do what they claim. Because if you're in grief and you desperately want a reading with a medium, and you go on their website and you see that there's a three year waiting list and it's $500 for a reading, it doesn't do you much good, you know?

George Siegal:

No, that's not, uh, that's not a real help. So what advice would you have for somebody who has just lost a loved one and they're just kind of searching for meaning in all of that. What would you, what would you tell people?

Bob Ginsberg:

I, I would just, I would just, um, remind them to, to remain open, unlike myself. Um, um, I was dismissing things and synchronous synchronicities that were happening all around me because it didn't fit into my frame of reference or what was possible. Um, oddly enough, once I had the, the science end of it to back up then I started opening up to recognize, you know, some of these things. But, you know, just keep it learning and exploring, you know, read, talk to others and most importantly, people have these, these experiences, these after death communications. People call them signs all the time, but they're they never talk about them with anybody else for fear of being ridiculed or labeled, you know, or dismissed. But if people started sharing the experiences that they have more often, um, it would become more accepted, you know, and, and, um, and make a big difference in and people's outlook and how they, you know, in the, in the search for meaning and purpose.

George Siegal:

So what's the best way for people to get in touch with you? It'll all be in the show notes, but what would you say is the best way to, to reach you?

Bob Ginsberg:

Yeah. Forever family foundation.org. Um, I write a personal blog at Beyond the five senses.com. That's just a way for me to get my thoughts out so I don't explode. Um, mm-hmm., uh, my book is called The Medium Explosion. Um, I have another book coming out in a few months, but we won't talk about that yet. And, uh, uh, yeah, that's the best way.

George Siegal:

All right. Hey Bob. Thank you so much for coming on. I'm on the fence, I wanna believe, but everything you sa say makes a lot of sense and, uh, I wish you continued success with it.

Bob Ginsberg:

Thanks. Thanks so much.

George Siegal:

Thank you so much for listening to this week's Tell Us How to Make It Better podcast. All the information to get in touch with Bob, as I mentioned, is right there in the show notes and there's a contact form there that if you have anything you'd like to see on a future episode or questions, comments, complaints, anything you want to talk about, please reach out and get in touch with me. And all my social media contacts are on there as. Thanks again for listening. See you next time.