Homeowners Be Aware

She’s Laughing Her Way to Wellness with Cathy Nesbitt

November 15, 2022 George Siegal Season 2 Episode 59
Homeowners Be Aware
She’s Laughing Her Way to Wellness with Cathy Nesbitt
Show Notes Transcript

November 15, 2022
59. She’s Laughing Her Way to Wellness

Laughter and composting actually have something in common. Cathy Nesbitt wants to reduce the amount of garbage we haul to landfills, while also teaching people that laughter is the best medicine.

Here are some important moments with Cathy from the podcast: 

At 6:46 How difficult is it to start composting at home?

At 8:26 I originally contacted you about composting, but a big part of what you do has to do with the dangers of stress?

At 13:19 How do you find laughter in bad situations?  

Here are some ways to follow or contact Cathy:

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/cathyscomposters/

Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/CathysCrawlyComposters

Website: https://www.cathysclub.com/

Website: https://www.cathyscomposters.com/

Website: https://www.cathyssprouters.com/

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/cathynesbitt/

Twitter: https://twitter.com/Squirm


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Cathy Nesbitt:

So I had a solution, this is indoor composting with worms. Um, and all I could see was, you know, I'm an avid gardener and composter. So I know, I see organic matter and I look at it different than most people. People think of it as trash or something you throw away. For me, it's, it's a resource that to make something better, like, to make more soil, make more nutrient, rich soil. Um, so I set out, and my goal actually was not about the soil, it was about waste management.

George Siegal:

I'm George Siegal, and this is The Tell Us How to Make It Better podcast. Every week we introduce you to people who are working on real world problems and providing actual solutions. Tell Us How to Make it Better is partnering with The Readiness Lab, the home for podcasts, webinars, and training in the field of emergency and disaster services. Hi everybody. Thank you for joining me on this week's Tell Us How to Make It Better podcast. Every week on this podcast, I try to introduce you to somebody who has identified a problem and rather than just sit around and complain about it, they're actually doing something to try to make it better. Well, my guest today is, uh, working on a couple of things that really can make a big difference with people. One has to do with something that could really help the environment and the amount of stuff we throw away. And the other has to do with laughter. Are you stressed out and find that stress is really weighing you down in life? After you listen to today's guest, you might have a way of reducing that stress. My guest today is Cathy Nesbitt. She's a health and wellness advocate and founder of Cathy's Crawley Composers and Cathy's Chuckle Club. Cathy, welcome.

Cathy Nesbitt:

Thank you, George. I'm excited to be here.

George Siegal:

Yeah, I'm excited to have you. You know, I found you through the internet where, um, it was about the Crawley creatures and the composting, and I, I remember when I was a little kid, I loved worms. Now as I've gotten older, I'm not as crazy about 'em. When you were a kid, were you in into playing with stuff like that? I mean, how did you evolve into something like that?

Cathy Nesbitt:

I was not, no. George Siegal: Okay. So how did you end up doing it? I believe it was why I was put on Earth . Yeah. So, um, I just saw a big problem. Uh, I'm, I'm located, uh, just north of Toronto and Canada. Largest city in the country. And in 2002, our landfill closed. Uh, it filled up. And although Canada's second largest country in the world, we couldn't find a place to cite a new landfill. And are you ready? We started to export our garbage to the U.S..

George Siegal:

Nice. We appreciate that when that happens. By the way, we need more garbage here.

Cathy Nesbitt:

Right? Well, we paid a lot for the privilege by the way. So it was bad for both countries, and it, I'm not talking about the people. This is the government's, uh, bad business ideas. Right. Um, yeah. And we, and you know, it was a thousand trucks a week, 200 every day like honking and 18 wheelers full of garbage. Yikes. So I had a solution, this is indoor composting with worms. Um, and all I could see was, you know, I'm an avid gardener and composter. So I know, I see organic matter and I look at it different than most people. People think of it as trash or something you throw away. For me, it's, it's a resource that to make something better, like, to make more soil, make more nutrient, rich soil. Um, so I set out, and my goal actually was not about the soil, it was about waste management.

George Siegal:

So did you have to do some studying? Did you have to learn about that To, to be good at it? Like if, if I decided tomorrow I wanted to start doing that, I probably would have to Google a bunch of things, get some books, figure out what the heck I'm even doing. How did, How did that process work for you?

Cathy Nesbitt:

Yeah, thank you. Beautiful. Yeah, it is a process. Absolutely. So, 93, I bought my house, moved outta Toronto into a smaller place, and a teacher friend in 93 asked me to look after her worm bin for the summer. I was afraid of worms. I was like, Ugh, worms in my house. Get out. But I think that we should do things for ourself. You know, People will be like, Oh, you won't like that. Oh good. Thanks for saving me the time., right? So I took on the challenge as an avid gardener. I knew the value of the worm compost. I just didn't wanna do the process. So I took on the challenge. It was horrible. Um, I had a house full of fruit flies, and I was like, I'm never doing this again. I kept the worms alive for my friend, thank goodness, . Uh, and then, uh, at the end of that summer, I was like, Okay, that good. I tried that. That's it. I didn't like it.. And then, uh, so 93. Fast forward, I got up my psych degree in 2000, got a job at a group home working with challenge folks, and they didn't compost. So they had 10 homes and a farm and a vocational program. And I was like, Wow, why don't they compost? So when I spoke to management about composting, they said, We don't need the fertilizer because we have cows. So they had the, the cow patties to fertilize the, the, you know, the, the gardens. And I was like, Wow. People don't even connect what they're doing. Like they're creating all this food waste over here and then paying over here to get rid of it. When they could just make something better, right? Worms are the original alchemists, Um, and then the greenhouse manager said, Hey, what about ver composting? And I don't know if you've ever done anything that you're like all excited about and that it doesn't work out like you think it's going to, and you're like, And you're like, I'm never doing that again. But then somebody says, Hey George, why don't we, And you're like, Oh no, I did that. I don't wanna do that. That's what happened. I got that feeling. I'm like, Oh no, no. Being down that road. But I was like, Wait a minute. This is an institution. They're not getting worms tomorrow. Let me do some research. So you're right. I did some research and, and then I discovered the magic of these worms, Red wiggler worms. They eat half, half their weight per day in food scraps. They turn garbage into black gold. They have five hearts each. They live up to 10 years. I mean, all these things. I was like, Oh, and I heard that a pound of worms in their descendants could transform a ton of organic waste in a year and and the average Canadian, I'll say Canadian slash American family produces a ton of organic waste in a year. So I was like, Wow, every, every family needs a pound of worms, and I'm just the one who put a pound of worms in every house. The challenge was, or one of the challenges was that I didn't have any business acumen. I don't, I don't have anybody in my family that's in business. Uh, none of my friends were in business. So it was, uh, not that it was a solo mission, it was just I, I felt on purpose and people needed what I had , so I set out.

George Siegal:

Now. So if I wanted to do that in my garage, Is that, do you need a lot of room to do that? Do you just need a big pale? How do you keep the worms in there? I mean, how difficult is it for somebody to actually, um, put this plan into action?

Cathy Nesbitt:

Very easy. Oh my gosh. It's so simple. They're the wonderful, most wonderful pet . And so yes, any container will do. Florida. Beautiful. You could do it in your garage. Absolutely. Year round. Um, so we'll say a rubber made container for, for the do, do it yourselfers. Um, all you need is a carbon nitrogen mix. So the carbon is, uh, the bedding. Shredded paper leave straw, cardboard, all your kind of browns and the nitrogen is your food scraps. You add both of those materials in, add your worms in. It would have a lid on it, some holes for it's aerobic process. Um, and then, yeah, you just set about feeding your worms. Not really much to do. You feed them maybe once or twice a week. Um, feed 'em and leave them. Right? They live in the dark. They don't want you to play with them. Don't take them out and, you know, pet them and no walk,

George Siegal:

Don't walk 'em or anything.

Cathy Nesbitt:

Don't talk to them. They don't like vibration., George Siegal: and, and Ah, no, it does not. It's aerobic process, meaning with oxygen, um, like aerobic exercise. Um, if it smells bad, it's like a built-in mechanism. Um, it, it, the oxygen gets converted to methane, so if it smells bad, it's methane. So we can't breathe methane, neither can the worms.

George Siegal:

Okay. Yeah. Well, it sounds interesting, but now interestingly, that's not even the main reason you came on because I always ask my guests, Tell me what the problem is that you are working on or that you've identified and what you're doing to make it better. You didn't even come back with the worm thing. You came back with stress and how dangerous that is for us. Tell, tell me about that.

Cathy Nesbitt:

Yeah, so it was about 2012. It's the 20th anniversary of my worm business. And many times over the years people had said, Oo, worms in the house. And I wasn't listening. 20 12, 1 more person said it and I heard it and I was like, Oh my gosh, this is so hard. Why do I care so much? And I really was questioning my motive. And then, um, I was about to doff my word mission and I was introduced to laughter yoga. So that was 2012. I've been laughing full on for, for 10. Over 10, well, 10 years now. And it helped save me in my worm business. And I, I realized that what, like, and. And then Covid came and everything got shut down. And so I, so especially during this, this time that we're in, we really need this. We had a, we had a mental health crisis before. It's just much bigger now because so many people have been isolated. It's a global. It's a global thing that's happening. And, um, yeah, when, when you're in a, So I, so I really do my, the, the problem that I'm solving is waste management, keeping things out of landfill. I really want people to care about the planet, but if you're in a mental crisis, you can't care about anything other than yourself.

George Siegal:

Now when you say laughter and yoga, I always laugh when I think of yoga because it looks like something that would be so ridiculously simple. And when I've taken some classes, I'm sweating like a pig. I mean, I'm, I find it very challenging and it, it, it's not easy to do. So that's where the laughter comes in for me. How do you mix the two in your opinion?

Cathy Nesbitt:

So, uh, the laughter yoga, it's, it isn't actually doing yoga and laughing. Um, it's, it's, um, the yoga part is the deep diaphragmatic breathing and the practice of the laughter. So, so just, you know, deciding to do it and it, and it's not, I, I didn't make this up, it's a real thing. uh, started in 1995 by a medical doctor, Dr. Madden Ateria, and his goal is world peace through laughter. Um, it's a global movement. Uh, I think we're over 120 countries now where there's laughter gloves, uh, and during covid I've been, I, I'm being called more for laughter to, I'm getting more paid gigs for laughter than worm worms right at this time.

George Siegal:

So, have you ever done standup comedy?

Cathy Nesbitt:

I'm working on a show. Thank you for that,. George Siegal: Really? So it's about my worms. Okay. Um, cuz I, I, again, I feel like I'm still meeting people. 20 years in, I chose me media as my marketing strategy. I've had over 300 articles, tv, radio, I have a documentary, um, and I'm still meeting people that haven't heard about it. And I say without awareness, action is impossible. So, um, yeah, so I, so I decided that maybe I should just do a standup show. You can imagine selling worms by the pound for 20 years. I have a lot of stories, Sure. A lot. And so I thought I would bring the fun to it. So I did a standup course, I did improv course, and I still wasn't ready. I was like, what if they don't laugh? And then I, I then I became trained as a laughter leader and I was like, Now I have the trifecta for a successful standup show. Cuz we'll start with laughter yoga. You know, George, if you go to a comedy show, you wanna laugh. You paid to laugh, In fact. So if this, if the comedy, if the comic is not funny, it's really hard. It's like, Come on buddy , we wanna love.

George Siegal:

And every great comic that I've heard interviewed talks about they have bombed before. It's not, I, I've tried it a couple times and I think I have so much respect for people who can do that and are, and are so good at it. And there's a lot of great ones. That's difficult because it's those moments of silence after you say something that you've worked on that you think is funny and there's people just looking at you like huh, That's a lonely feeling.

Cathy Nesbitt:

It's a lonely feeling. It is. Yes. Uh, I would, I would compare it today to doing, um, Zoom workshops where everyone has their camera off. George Siegal: Yeah. That's a little frustrating when you can't actually see the other people and, and, and Zoom is such a, I actually did my first podcast, um, last week where I went to the location and interviewed the, the people. And that's the way I've came up in media is, is being in person. Zoom is so impersonal. Um, it's very difficult. If you and I were sitting in a room or if you and I were out at the composting bin, I think we would have a completely different podcast. Hmm, absolutely. Yes. Agreed. So it's thank, thank goodness for the technology.

George Siegal:

Oh, absolutely. You know, this is, is better than nothing. Right. Um, so what advice do you have to people that are under stress? I mean, you know, it's one thing to say, Hey, you just gotta laugh a little bit. But, you know, as we talked about in the beginning, before we went on, um, I'm in Tampa, Florida as we're recording this podcast, we have a major hurricane heading towards us, and there's a lot of people that, um, sadly are going to get it pretty bad from this. How, how do you find laughter in bad situations?

Cathy Nesbitt:

Yeah, it's essential. Um, because it, it's a, it's like a release. It's like when people laugh in inappropriate situations, like at a funeral or whatever, because there's so much pressure built up and then it's just that release and once somebody starts laughing, it's contagious and everybody gets to feel that kind of euphoric moment where you're just like, Wow, thank goodness I'm not holding that in. And so we're not laughing at the situation during this time, during this covid time. Laughter Yogis jumped online and, and you can laugh 24 7 in a laughter club. And that's why you need a laughter club because it is challenging to laugh by yourself. Like, just laughing, ha ha ha. There's no jokes or comedy. It's not, you know, And if you're watching a show, if you're la doing your laughter, yoga, like, just laughing, ha ha ha. Um, you're gonna miss the, the next line. Or if you're at a comedy club, you'll get kicked out because you're making too much noise.

George Siegal:

or the comedian will start picking on you.

Cathy Nesbitt:

Right, Exactly. Yeah. So this is, um, In a laughter session, it's um, you know, it's a cardiovascular workout. Our diaphragm is attached to all of our organs, so when we laugh, we're moving our diaphragm, which is like internal jogging. Um, you need about 10 to 15 minutes of sustained belly laughter to get the effects. But there are so many benefits. It's the, it's the fastest Happiness hack gets us outta stress in a moment. At least for the moment. It doesn't take away the problem, but it certainly makes it easier to cope with. And I'd love to give an example since you talked about, um, this big weather event that's coming. Mm-hmm., there's a documentary called Laughology by Albert Nuremberg about laughing, and he was going to interview Madan, Dr. Kataria in India. It was the day after the Mumbai bombings. And so he, he said, I, Well, I guess we're not filming today. And Dr. Kataria said, Oh, we must. We must do this because we need to laugh more than ever, not at what's happened because of otherwise we're afraid, like cowering in the corner. We need to laugh and connect because our brain requires 25% more oxygen than the rest of our body as an operating principle. When we're stressed, we're not breathing properly, so our brain's not getting what it needs and. Like ever lost your keys and you're flopping around . Yeah. Right. You're never finding your keys or bone glasses in that state. You need to stop, take a deep breath, laugh it off, apologize to everyone, and then you'll find them.

George Siegal:

Yeah, I mean, that's a, if that's a great way to get off of panic. I mean, I always tell people, especially as people are preparing for a storm, you wanna get your work done first because in that panic moment, It's hard to get things done when you're, when you're stressed and you gotta find those keys when you have to get something done, bring furniture in, do something at the last minute, you're almost paralyzed at that point. And so if you had a way to relax, I imagine that could be a tremendous asset.

Cathy Nesbitt:

Yes. And when we're laughing, we're secreting the love drugs. Right. Ever heard laughter's the best medicine? I have heard that, right. Everyone's heard that it's a universal expression. Um, but it's true. So I say, have you had your daily dose, dopamine, oxytocin, serotonin and endorphins versus cortisol when we're stressed. So when we're stressed, cortisol's creating through our body to get us going. Right. To bring all that fluid to our muscles so we can escape. Um, but nothing's in our brain. Like most of the stuff leaves our brain because we don't need to think about something. We just need to escape.

George Siegal:

Did you ever see, Did you ever watch the Mary Tyler Moore show? Was that big in Canada? Yes. There was an episode where she was at a funeral, I think it was for Chuckles, the clown, and she started laughing uncontrollably and it just completely derailed what was going on in the funeral. But it was one of the funniest scenes I've ever seen in a TV show.

Cathy Nesbitt:

It's absolutely the, That's, that's what I was talking about with, you know, at the funeral or at an inappropriate time. You start laughing and it's just a release. It's not laughing at it seems inappropriate. Um, but it really is not, It's just a natural, like a almost a survival mechanism almost.

George Siegal:

It can be painful though. When I worked in the TV news business, there was a few times where we started laughing during the broadcast and we couldn't stop. And you know, people that are just flipping the dial and coming by that see these idiots on camera laughing and have no idea what the reason was that triggered that, Um, it could be really uncomfortable to stop that laughing. It's hard to do.

Cathy Nesbitt:

Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. Blooper reel. George Siegal: Yeah, that definitely, uh, One of them when I was, um, in San Antonio actually was written up by one of the media critics calling, uh, the, the news team, immature , for laughing. So , I guess you gotta take the good with the bad. Um, So what advice do you have for somebody who, what would be the first step? I know you have these online, uh, classes, I guess you would say, so I'm feeling really stressed. I need to find a way to, to, to kick that. What are you gonna tell me to do? Yeah, I'm gonna tell, tell people to come to a laugh, to go to a laughter club and, and plan to attend more than once because the first time will be weird, right? Whenever we do something new, it's awkward cuz we don't know what to do, we don't know what's gonna happen and all of that. A laughter club is no different. It's, it is awkward because we've been trained that we need to laugh at something. Like somebody tripping or , you know, or, or like slap step comedy or, or a joke or something. This is, um, intentional laughter exercises designed to make us feel good. So the laughter leader, you know, guides you through that. There's, um, there's clapping and chanting. So the clapping, you clap palm to palm, so you're activating the meridians and it's ho, ho ha ha ha. Or 1, 2, 1. 1, 2, 1 2, 3 . And, and then there's little, just little games. So little games to inspire the laughter. Um, yeah. And it's just moving around and connecting. So eye contact and, and we, we do feed off each other. It's just energy, right? So it's just, um, high vibe, energy that just, we feel good when we're in it.

George Siegal:

Now are you doing those in person now or you still do those over zoom?

Cathy Nesbitt:

Uh, my, my, my online club is on Zoom. Um, yeah, it's nine 30 every Tuesday at nine 30, and I get people Eastern and I get people from around the world, but I am doing, uh, in person, uh, engagements as well. I'm, I'm, it's, it's amazing to me how people are finding me. I know the internet, but , you know, I just think when you're on purpose, I thought I was here for the worms and I am, I'm a really great laugher and I'm really good at it. And I've incorporated tapping, emotional freedom technique, brain gym, and other healing modalities because my whole objective is to help people get out of stress. And my very soft spot, my demographic that I really love working with is special needs. Um, so I've been doing, I've had a year project. Every Friday we meet in person and it's so beautiful. Chatty Cathy is my name, and so I can only imagine if you're nonverbal. And so your whole life, people are telling you, Here, eat this, go here, wear this, do this. So how frustrating. No wonder there are behaviors, you know, people get frustrated and act out, um, because that's not what they want, but they can't verbalize it. So the laughter is, is a magic thing. And I, I would love to give an ex example of one of my, um, experiences. Sure. I was going in, um, there's an organization called Larsh. I was started by a gentleman in France. He actually just passed, um, working with special needs and, and he's created these wonderful, um, supportive networks. So I was, I was, uh, invited to come and do laughter yoga, and so I would go, I think we were doing monthly at that organization and there was a nonverbal young man. Who would come every time He loved it. And we did a balloon blowing up exercise, so put your hands that you blow up as you breathe. And as we got the full balloon, when we got to the top, this gentleman that doesn't talk said bang. And we got like silence in the room from all the staff. We were just like, Oh, oh my gosh. Wow. Like, and so I feel like his brain got oxygenated so he was able to verbalize what he was feeling at that moment. It was, it was really a beautiful moment.

George Siegal:

Oh, that's awesome. And there's so few times we get to really feel like, Wow, this made a difference what I was doing. And you see something work that had to feel really good.

Cathy Nesbitt:

Oh, is, is so beautiful. I've had so many wonderful. I could give a, I could talk just about the experiences that I've had with people who, Some people come, they're very serious, arms are crossed, and they're not smiling, and they're there because, you know, somebody brought them to the event and they're, and I, and I kind of focus on them because I just think it takes so much energy not even to smile . Yeah. Like to be like, Nope. Mm. Mm.. So it, it just, it kind of makes me laugh, you know, because we are very serious, um, society, right? Oh, we can't laugh. There's too much things going on. Yes. There's always gonna be more things heaped on that can make us afraid. And we can either choose to be paralyzed by the fear, as you said about when you've gotta move furniture when a storms coming or something. Right? Or, or we can um, kind of go with it. This is gonna ha things are gonna happen. So we can, as long as we have tools and the laughter, I believe makes us more resilient, I feel much more resilient. And I would love to give an example of driving. Sure. Everyone has driving things, right? So rather than, um, doing road rage, here's something that I would suggest to people . Cause it's way better. So when I get cut off, And it's never personal. We take it personal like, Hey, why did they cut me off? But they're not like, Hey, there's George, let's get in front of him.. You hope not when people, Right. Yeah. You hope not. Oh, there's that guy, that kooky guy from the , the podcast. So if I get cut off, um, I'm like, Oh good. It primes me to do my laughter yoga. I'm like, time to do laughter yoga. And I, I flail my arms around. I'm like, Ha ha. They look like a, a cookie nut in, in the car. And the person that cut me off, cuz you know when you do, when you've cut somebody off, you know that you have, but you needed to do it like you had to get in there. So they're looking in their rear view mirror and they can see that I'm like, so it looks like I'm mad, but I'm laughing. So I arrive at my destination. Oh, oxygenated all like relaxed and all the love drugs careening through my body and that person's stress and I actually get more space cuz they think I'm mad, they think I'm, you know, So instead of road raging, just laugh and it, it will change your life.

George Siegal:

Sure. And it, I think it's an example of how I can't control what you do, but I can control what I do. And if you can tamp down those emotions and calm down in those situations, it could probably make a huge difference.

Cathy Nesbitt:

Yes. Because when we get stressed again back to the cortisol and our heart's racing and, and then it takes time, It, I think I heard one time like when you get angry it takes like five hours for your body to calm back down. And the reverse is true when you have a laughter fit, with your friends, whatever, that that experience, that those benefits last in your body for hours.

George Siegal:

Excellent. Now, you, you seem like such an entrepreneurial person with the, the two things that we were talking about today. So with this podcast, I like to encourage people if you have an idea or something that you wanna do to make it better to, to improve the world or do something positive instead of just complaining about it, what would you tell them to give 'em that boost to get going? Similar to what you've done?

Cathy Nesbitt:

Yeah. I would say if you have an idea, you know, we get these inspired thoughts where we go. I'm gonna do that. I'm so excited about this. Maybe, maybe not like that. Maybe that's just me., Right? And then what happens after that moment? Um, many times people will either talk themself out of it. Like, they'll be like, Oh yeah, oh, last time. Oh yeah, I don't have time right now for that. I'm just gonna put that on the shelf. Don't, I would say, when you get that inspired thought, it came from the universe. And if it's an I, like say a business idea. And you're like, No, not right now. I'm busy or whatever. Six months down the road, you might see your business idea in like that's unfolded and you're like, Oh my God, that was my idea. That's right, because that was given to six people and they took action and you did not. So take action. Write it down. If you get a thought and you're like, I wanna do that, don't tell the people that are, that are gonna talk you out of it. You know? It's like if you're a smoker and you wanna quit smoking and your friends are like, Oh, you're not gonna quit. You can't come on, let's go for a smoke. Because if you quit smoking, What does that do for them then? Oh, they gotta quit. Or someone's gonna be bugging them. It makes 'em, you know, put sep so if you don't change, they don't have to change and all as well.

George Siegal:

Yeah, I mean, I know people that have talked about things for years and nothing ever changes. And I think it's that getting past that fear of failure, cuz some of the most successful people in the world have failed many times. But it doesn't stop them.

Cathy Nesbitt:

No failures just a, it's just a lesson as you just get up, you try it again. Oh, not that way. Over here. Maybe another way. Yeah. Just like, you know, we we're so afraid to make a mistake. Just so what, Who cares? Like it's all that's on you. And we we're, so we look at what other people are gonna think about us, otherwise we wouldn't care. Like, Cause what? What? Right. Why do we care if we fail? If it's just on us? If, if we're the only ones that are gonna be judging us, which we are . Right? That voice in your head is never your friend. You would never pick somebody like that. You'd be like, Get outta here. You can't be my friend. You're, You're too mean. George Siegal: Exactly. Now, there's a lot of ways to follow you and consume you on social media. I'm gonna put 'em in the show notes so people can easily find you. But what's the best way for somebody to reach out? And, uh, and consume what you're putting out there. So my worm website is probably, if they're wanting, you know, a whole sustainable life, worms and laughter, everything's there. It's cathy's composers.com or cathy's club.com for the

George Siegal:

laughter. Very good. Well, hey Cathy, thank you for your time today. Thank you for coming on. How soon can we expect to see you doing your standup comedy? Where? When's that show gonna be on comedy central?

Cathy Nesbitt:

Oh my gosh. Oh, no pressure. No, I would, yeah, I would. I would love, yeah, Comedy Central. If you're listening, contact me . We do need more women comics. I believe that we do need more women, uh, speaking out.

George Siegal:

Absolutely. And there's some great ones. I mean, there are some I, you know, I just like, and if somebody's funny, I like to listen to 'em. That's my thing. Absolutely. Thank you. All right, well listen, thank you so much and, uh, look forward to following you and seeing that comedy sometime.

Cathy Nesbitt:

Thank you, George. I appreciate it.

George Siegal:

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